A recent study conducted by VoxUkraine, with support from the International Renaissance Foundation, sought to analyze the Ukrainian public's ability to identify "Russian propaganda narratives." However, in doing so, the survey inadvertently revealed a striking reality:
Russia need to go all the way, denazify.. period, rid itself of this filth… do what’s necessary, only misery and asymmetry by way of acts of terror against it as a state and its people will remain if such is not eradicated, on the positive… so many in Ukraine being aware of this evil might aide the process of eliminating the scourge… Love your reporting.
Kia Kaha (Stay Strong) from New Zealand
P.s received 2x Emails purportedly from you seeking funding for projects? If indeed sent from you can you reply and confirm, I did not feel I could as it appeared a scam… filed where such is filed :) Best to you Patrick, take care out there…
If anything, the Naziism findings are certainly under-reported. This organization is just another propaganda mill funded by Western governments. 61% of its revenue from FaceBook in 2021, 34% from USAID, NED, and Facebook in 2022 with the rest from a smattering of US/EU think tanks.
Since the late 1940s, the West has used Ukrainian nazism as a tool to hurt and destabilise the USSR and now Russia. Russia needs to remove the current regime, eliminate nazism and demilitarise the country or this cancer will continue to be a thorn in Russias side.
This article should incentivize Putin to force Ukraine to surrender. It's the only way to de-nazify the region. The Nazi virus infected part of the Ukrainian population so by conquering Ukraine Russia could ship out the nazis to Western Europe and retain the remaining population as Ukrainian citizens. However, there are elements within the Russian government that are too pro-west to do what needs to be done to denazify Ukraine.
Russia could break through weak AFU lines and force a surrender by encircling all the AFU strongholds and starving them of supplies forcing abdication. Instead, Russia wants to negotiate even though negotiations have failed miserably with the West. The path Russia needs to take to protect its border and bring Ukraine on side has never been clearer.
I'll make it clear that Russia runs the risk of winning the war but will lose the peace big time if it fails to be decisive, bring an end to the Ukraine experiment and start all over. Russia may have won the war but I guarantee it will lose the peace if it doesn't get more serious in Ukraine.
It's no longer a SMO, Russia. It's a war with a very real existential threat from Ukraine. Ukraine is the key and he who holds it wins in the long run. Take it, don't negotiate.
The Russians are intent on reaching their four objectives: 1. Securing the Russian oblasts, 2. Demilitarization, 3. De-nazification, 4. Non-aligned status of Ukraine. The negotiating table is objectively preferable, and they won't be seen as refusing to negotiate, but they'll prevail one way or another. The only real thing to negotiate for practical purposes is the exact terms of capitulation, and victory on the ground is costly but acceptable if necessary. Frankly the best way for the West to facilitate a resolution is by cutting off military aid while pursuing negotiations, because Russia will not give up on reaching their objectives and Western policy has so far only been to keep the conflict going.
You'll never be able to de-nazify without dealing with the Nazi civilians. Dealing with them means kicking them out. to kick them out you need to force a surrender. To force surrender means conquering Ukraine. As this article points out, the nazis are in the general population. You can't negotiate that.
Identifying and expelling civilians with the wrong viewpoint is impractical and won't happen one way or another. Denazification relies on two things: 1. Having the right leader, a patriot with the correct vision, for example Arestovych, and 2. Constitutional change ensuring the freedom of language, religion and culture in a multi-ethnic Ukraine.
Look at the survey question regarding language. 32% think that Russian speakers are oppressed, which is not such a small number, but this is the only question where they only present results from Ukrainians abroad. I suspect the results from within the country might have been too devastating to publish.
Your comment makes sense. Yet I still think Russia would be in a more advantageous position by forcing Ukraine to surrender. it's quite doable. The stakes are high whatever the outcome. Time will tell, Alex.
I understand you. In my heart I'd like to see Russia accomplish something beyond its baseline objectives, to help ensure this crap can never happen again. With so many stupid players in the game, it can best hard to believe in the best case scenario. I would also like to see Odessa as a proper Russian city, and a direct link to Transnistria. As you say, we'll see how it goes.
I would read this survey otherwise: 33 % of urban population and 53 % of rural population THINK THAT NEO-NAZI IDEOLOGY IS BAD. They think this ideology is a problem, hence THEY REJECT IT.
In fact Nazism and it's right hand Eugenicism is widespread throughout the world. The nazis made the v2 rocket program in America and racism which is a lighter more dumbed down easily digestible version of Nazism which talking topic rules about every coffee break and family dinner and yelling aggressively about immigrants in front of the news on tv on planet earth people of this age is deluded narcissists. I stay away of people with a negative outlook on life itself.
It is hard to say what that study means. I am surprised the figure is not higher. My belief that there is only about 2%-5% of the Ukraine that is actively fascist. The USA, Uk and Canadian through various intelligence agencies preserved what was left WW2 Ukraine Nazi's for the cold war, and after that was over, used them to try a break up Russia for the global corporate elite.
The 600+ page book by Martin Armstrong explains the USA vs Russia war quite well if you are able to read; The Plot to Seize Russia: The Untold History by Martin Armstrong | Jun 2, 2023
Those who are actively fascist are likely narrative-conscious enough to sweep themselves under the rug and answer the statement in the positive. I'm surprised at the number of negatives, seeing as Ukraine is fairly repressive at the moment and people might be afraid to answer, but perhaps the survey was conducted with sufficient anonymity.
Patrick, thanks for the most excellent information. I've added a citation of your post to my own work on Crimea's reunification with Russia:
https://open.substack.com/pub/notagoodchristian/p/crimean-russians-worked-to-rejoin?r=3lgm9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Russia need to go all the way, denazify.. period, rid itself of this filth… do what’s necessary, only misery and asymmetry by way of acts of terror against it as a state and its people will remain if such is not eradicated, on the positive… so many in Ukraine being aware of this evil might aide the process of eliminating the scourge… Love your reporting.
Kia Kaha (Stay Strong) from New Zealand
P.s received 2x Emails purportedly from you seeking funding for projects? If indeed sent from you can you reply and confirm, I did not feel I could as it appeared a scam… filed where such is filed :) Best to you Patrick, take care out there…
If anything, the Naziism findings are certainly under-reported. This organization is just another propaganda mill funded by Western governments. 61% of its revenue from FaceBook in 2021, 34% from USAID, NED, and Facebook in 2022 with the rest from a smattering of US/EU think tanks.
Since the late 1940s, the West has used Ukrainian nazism as a tool to hurt and destabilise the USSR and now Russia. Russia needs to remove the current regime, eliminate nazism and demilitarise the country or this cancer will continue to be a thorn in Russias side.
This article should incentivize Putin to force Ukraine to surrender. It's the only way to de-nazify the region. The Nazi virus infected part of the Ukrainian population so by conquering Ukraine Russia could ship out the nazis to Western Europe and retain the remaining population as Ukrainian citizens. However, there are elements within the Russian government that are too pro-west to do what needs to be done to denazify Ukraine.
Russia could break through weak AFU lines and force a surrender by encircling all the AFU strongholds and starving them of supplies forcing abdication. Instead, Russia wants to negotiate even though negotiations have failed miserably with the West. The path Russia needs to take to protect its border and bring Ukraine on side has never been clearer.
I'll make it clear that Russia runs the risk of winning the war but will lose the peace big time if it fails to be decisive, bring an end to the Ukraine experiment and start all over. Russia may have won the war but I guarantee it will lose the peace if it doesn't get more serious in Ukraine.
It's no longer a SMO, Russia. It's a war with a very real existential threat from Ukraine. Ukraine is the key and he who holds it wins in the long run. Take it, don't negotiate.
The Russians are intent on reaching their four objectives: 1. Securing the Russian oblasts, 2. Demilitarization, 3. De-nazification, 4. Non-aligned status of Ukraine. The negotiating table is objectively preferable, and they won't be seen as refusing to negotiate, but they'll prevail one way or another. The only real thing to negotiate for practical purposes is the exact terms of capitulation, and victory on the ground is costly but acceptable if necessary. Frankly the best way for the West to facilitate a resolution is by cutting off military aid while pursuing negotiations, because Russia will not give up on reaching their objectives and Western policy has so far only been to keep the conflict going.
You'll never be able to de-nazify without dealing with the Nazi civilians. Dealing with them means kicking them out. to kick them out you need to force a surrender. To force surrender means conquering Ukraine. As this article points out, the nazis are in the general population. You can't negotiate that.
Identifying and expelling civilians with the wrong viewpoint is impractical and won't happen one way or another. Denazification relies on two things: 1. Having the right leader, a patriot with the correct vision, for example Arestovych, and 2. Constitutional change ensuring the freedom of language, religion and culture in a multi-ethnic Ukraine.
Look at the survey question regarding language. 32% think that Russian speakers are oppressed, which is not such a small number, but this is the only question where they only present results from Ukrainians abroad. I suspect the results from within the country might have been too devastating to publish.
Your comment makes sense. Yet I still think Russia would be in a more advantageous position by forcing Ukraine to surrender. it's quite doable. The stakes are high whatever the outcome. Time will tell, Alex.
I understand you. In my heart I'd like to see Russia accomplish something beyond its baseline objectives, to help ensure this crap can never happen again. With so many stupid players in the game, it can best hard to believe in the best case scenario. I would also like to see Odessa as a proper Russian city, and a direct link to Transnistria. As you say, we'll see how it goes.
I would read this survey otherwise: 33 % of urban population and 53 % of rural population THINK THAT NEO-NAZI IDEOLOGY IS BAD. They think this ideology is a problem, hence THEY REJECT IT.
That's incorrect. If you go to the survey they explain how to read it.
In fact Nazism and it's right hand Eugenicism is widespread throughout the world. The nazis made the v2 rocket program in America and racism which is a lighter more dumbed down easily digestible version of Nazism which talking topic rules about every coffee break and family dinner and yelling aggressively about immigrants in front of the news on tv on planet earth people of this age is deluded narcissists. I stay away of people with a negative outlook on life itself.
It is hard to say what that study means. I am surprised the figure is not higher. My belief that there is only about 2%-5% of the Ukraine that is actively fascist. The USA, Uk and Canadian through various intelligence agencies preserved what was left WW2 Ukraine Nazi's for the cold war, and after that was over, used them to try a break up Russia for the global corporate elite.
The 600+ page book by Martin Armstrong explains the USA vs Russia war quite well if you are able to read; The Plot to Seize Russia: The Untold History by Martin Armstrong | Jun 2, 2023
Those who are actively fascist are likely narrative-conscious enough to sweep themselves under the rug and answer the statement in the positive. I'm surprised at the number of negatives, seeing as Ukraine is fairly repressive at the moment and people might be afraid to answer, but perhaps the survey was conducted with sufficient anonymity.
Can you post a link to that on Vox ukraine please -it appears to have been taken down already for obvious reasons
It's not taken down as far as I see. https://voxukraine.org/en/the-ability-of-ukrainians-to-distinguish-messages-of-russian-propaganda-results-of-public-opinion-research