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Bill Ralph's avatar

I have been puzzled since I first heard the slogan from the allies, for Ukraine to "fight to the last Ukrainian". What conflict has ever had allies tell the army in distress to fight until all were dead?

Now it has become abundantly clear that the vulture Capitalist and empires want cleared lands so there will be no one to stand in their way for looting their wealth. Now it all makes sense!

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David Kamaunu's avatar

I believe that Lyndsey Graham is attributed as the first to say “fight to the last Ukrainian…”

I am not so sure that it was he. History has examples of people making such oaths drunk and spirited to “puke and rally”

It’s a silly thing as no one in history has ever fought to the last man and told the tale. 😏

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Ravishing Rudey's avatar

This is one of the reasons why the current administration in Washington wants peace. If Russia could take much more of Ukraine or even all of it, hypothetically, then those debts will be impossible to collect on.

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David Kamaunu's avatar

That makes assumptions that the Russians intend to take all of Ukrainian territories, and that the US and Ukraine had a defined transactional relationship. The Russians seek to repatriate the Oblasts which elected to join the Russian federation. They do not want the west nor seek to repeat Stalin’s efforts.

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Ravishing Rudey's avatar

Yes, but I am not talking about what Putin and the Russian Federation intends to do, or the goals of the SMO in Ukraine. I am talking about the concerns of "stakeholders" in the west.

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Matthew Ngatai's avatar

Most of Ukraines rich natural resources and rare earths lay in the far east now under Russian control and part of the newly Russian regional territories.

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Nakayama's avatar

Also some of the best agriculture areas. Although some soils have been polluted by the American depleted uranium ammunitions. It is a gift from the USA to the Ukrainian and Russian people for the next 500 years. I hope the Russian people would not forget this DU gift.

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John's avatar

The US does it to their own citizens what makes you think they would treat Ukraine any differently? The property taxes in the USA are so high it’s like a second mortgage payment for some and even after the land and or house is paid off the taxes continue to increase due to unchecked government spending. The US government lives like it’s royalty with spending for cars, furniture and person traveling. A State official can travel on the taxpayers dime. Government officials voting to increase their salaries. It’s completely outrageous and never ends. Everyone thinks the US people live so well it’s not true. Come work here and be treated like shit at a job.

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Rachel's avatar

Preach, John. They raised my property taxes 200% last year, my insurance for car and home up 50% and my last electric bill in the state of Georgia was $341. I'm furious with the American government. Sure would be nice to see Trump do something for people like me who now SKIP MEALS to survive financially.

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Wren's avatar

Aid from the US always comes with strings attached. My understanding of how BRICS operates is that funds for development can be loaned or given in grants to member nations in need if applications are accepted. It is a system designed to help; not plunder.

What will happen to Ukraine is unclear. Russia will rebuild the Russian oblasts. The remains of Ukraine, when the SMO ends, will struggle as foreign interests try to carve up resources.

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Ravishing Rudey's avatar

Paradoxically, it would actually be better for Ukrainians in some ways to be part of Russia now. Those debts would not be honoured by the Russian Federation I wouldn't imagine.

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Tom Collier's avatar

In addition to the debt or in other words paying for the USA vs Russia proxy war, Ukraine is very much a place to experiment on people, with psychological operations, social control, bio-labs, digital ID and Central Bank Digital Currency.

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RealityCheck's avatar

During World War II, the United States gained significant economic, geopolitical, and technological advantages by financing and supplying the war, but its involvement was far from purely altruistic. The massive wartime production effort ended the Great Depression, revitalising American industry, and securing its position as the world’s dominant economic power. The war also strengthened the U.S. dollar as the global reserve currency through the Bretton Woods Agreement, while Lend-Lease and other financial programs created long-term dependencies among Allied nations.

Geopolitically, the U.S. emerged as a global superpower, expanding its military presence worldwide and replacing the declining European empires as the dominant force in international affairs. Its role, (via the Rockefeller's) in shaping postwar institutions like the United Nations further cemented its influence. Additionally, the war allowed the U.S. to establish military bases across Europe and the Pacific, securing strategic advantages that would last well beyond the war.

However, the U.S. did not just fund the Allies—it also had financial ties to the Axis, particularly Nazi Germany, before and during the early years of the war. American capital especially played a role in strengthening Germany’s industrial and military capacity.

Technologically, the war drove innovation, with the U.S. securing an edge through projects like the Manhattan Project and the acquisition of both Japanese and German scientific expertise via Operation Paperclip. The war also allowed the U.S. to appropriate valuable enemy technology giving it a major postwar advantage.

Ultimately, while the U.S. framed its involvement in World War II as a fight for democracy and freedom, it also acted in its own strategic and financial interests. The war was not just a battle of ideologies but a lucrative opportunity that positioned the U.S. as the dominant global power for the rest of the 20th century. Its financial entanglements with both sides of the conflict reveal the deeper economic motives behind its wartime policies, challenging the notion that its involvement was purely a selfless act.

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Frances Leader's avatar

The USA is the military arm of the Roman Empire 2.0. It does not operate in its own interests. It is a slave colony.

https://boodicca.substack.com/p/exposing-roman-empire-20

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enna's avatar

The WW II lend lease arrangement was not a gift, as far as I know (from all the Russian sources I have read). The USSR paid up, perhaps not the full amount.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Ukraine to Kazakhstan is the old Khazaria and is loaded with mineral wealth. The Roman Empire 2.0 will not stop until it controls it all, preferably without a nuisance population which might object.

https://boodicca.substack.com/p/exposing-roman-empire-20

The plan is pretty sick.....

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/the-mother-of-all-false-flag-events

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Nakayama's avatar

From the Chinese side of history, the Central Asia from Kazakhstan to the Mediterranean has always been fragmented except during the Mongolian period (and even then, Mongols separated Central Asia into multiple khanates.) So I doubt that the old Khazaria had ever conquered that much.

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Frances Leader's avatar

I wouldn’t think of Khazaria as a conquered land mass pre-10th century. Rather it was a nation loosely connected by trade routes. The Mongol invasion occurred during the 13th century, a significant time after the Rus had claimed the land previously known as Khazaria.

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Sue's avatar

British debt to USA was fiñally paid just a few years ago for the carry trade of the 2ñd world war

just i*agiñe for a rabaged couñtry as Ukraiñe. If I was Ukraiñiañ I would surreñder *yself to *other

Russia añd be oñe. beiñg differeñt. Gallegos are totally differeñt to Añdaluciañs but bery proud

of beiñg Spañish

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